{"id":7583,"date":"2015-09-12T18:09:19","date_gmt":"2015-09-12T16:09:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/?p=7583"},"modified":"2026-04-13T10:10:58","modified_gmt":"2026-04-13T08:10:58","slug":"the-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/en\/the-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"The Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-9473\" src=\"https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1536\" height=\"830\" \/><\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Hello, Dr. Enki!<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Greetings!<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Let&#8217;s begin with the most interesting part &#8211; can we consider the experiment to have been completed?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 My colleagues and I don&#8217;t think so. We still have three planets left. What is more, on one of them a civilization has not been launched.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 What do you mean &#8216;has not been launched&#8217;?<!--more--><\/b><br \/>\n\u2014 After we left, they quickly lost all the knowledge and remained in an animalistic state. The process of knowledge transfer from one generation to the next has not been launched.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 You said that there are three planets left, but what about the rest of them?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 You know about one of them, which is why I was invited here, the other six self-destructed.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 So how many of them were there? Those that made the flight &#8211; that&#8217;s one. Plus, the six that self-destructed. Plus, the three that are still taking part in the experiment, one of which has not had a civilization launch there. Is that right?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Yes.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 I am a bit confused. How many is that?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Ten.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Oh, let&#8217;s take one thing at a time, because I seem to be jumping from one theme to another. How did it all start? And how did you get the idea for the experiment?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Every schoolboy knows the origin story of our civilization &#8211; because of the proximity of our systems, we quickly got in touch with one another and what happened was the kind of impressive knowledge exchange that led to explosive technological development. Practically every micro-civilization made its contribution, and ever since then we&#8217;ve been living in a globalized world.<br \/>\nBut the scientists, who study various planets, ran into some difficulty when establishing the development trajectory of the earliest stages of our civilization. So we decided to run this experiment. We found ten planets on the outskirts of the universe where sensible life more-or-less already began, and we launched the mechanisms of civilization there.<br \/>\nFollowing the launch, the primary condition of the experiment was &#8216;non-intervention&#8217;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 &#8216;Non-intervention&#8217;? What an interesting word! What does it mean?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 For the purity of the experiment, we selected the planets which were far enough away from each other to be able to develop independently, without any intervention.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Are there no tourists there?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Yes, actually, there is not much to see or feel here. There are basically no useful planets or asteroids there. So, those quarters don&#8217;t interest anyone, apart from scientists. No tourists, no businessmen.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 You said that you &#8216;launched the mechanisms of civilization there&#8217;. What did that look like?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Well, that&#8217;s very simple. Out of the local sensible living creatures, we selected the smartest ones and hybridize them, slightly altering their DNA. Their children were taught a lot of our own knowledge, and when they grew up we imperceptibly persuaded them to start a few global construction projects &#8211; cities, gigantic sculptures; useless, but the kind of constructions that can stand the test of time&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Hm! And why were they &#8216;useless&#8217;?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Well, I call them so, from the point of view of being useful to us. Really, they fulfill a very useful function: many generations of local residents observed these constructions and tried to copy them, or at least understand what they were for and how they were built. That greatly stimulated the development of the civilization.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 I&#8217;d be interested to learn how these constructions looked like?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Why &#8216;looked like&#8217;? They still exist. We used the most stable geometric shapes: half-spheres, pyramids, cones&#8230; Different planets had different ones&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><b><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-9475\" src=\"https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" \/>\u2014 And how did the construction launch the process of civilization?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 I would first like to point out that all the necessary equipment for the construction out of the local materials was imported to these planets. The natives, taught by us, would catch entire tribes, select the most suitable, teach them, well, and that launched the whole construction process. Imagine, this is not how we do it, this was built by hand &#8211; stones were procured from mountains, delivered to valleys, transported to incredible heights. All this required unbelievable labor planning and organization.<br \/>\nBut when the construction was finished, we took all the equipment and disappeared. And here, the most interesting part starts. The newly-built cities, the knowledge remained there, hierarchies of building organizations remained, but the technologies and production &#8211; did not. However, there was plenty of living materials &#8211; forests, mountains, and valleys littered with wild human beings&#8230;<br \/>\nAs I&#8217;ve already said, our builders were unsuccessful at &#8216;launching&#8217; a civilization on just one planet. The rest dragged the primitive tribes along with them, kicking and screaming. In the end, some &#8211; were slower, some were faster, but they built pretty advanced civilizations. Many even managed to exit their own planets, but only one of them managed to get in touch and meet with us.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 What happened to the ones who self-destructed?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 That, by the way, was also one of the goals of the experiment. As you know, there are millions of planets suitable for the development of life where we even find traces of past civilizations, but there are no sensible beings there. And there are also asteroid belts, which are clearly the remains of planets, located in habitable zones. For a long time, we couldn&#8217;t understand how these planets and civilizations ceased to exist. It turns out, it&#8217;s simple &#8211; their technologies developed faster than social regulations which could forbid them destroying one another, and as soon as they developed the military equipment which allowed for the indiscriminate destruction of enemies, they used them. Consequently, their enemies, they themselves, and frequently their planets too, ceased to exist.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Out of the six unsuccessful experiments, how many destroyed their planet?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 I would not call them unsuccessful &#8211; we learned a lot about the mechanics of a civilization\u2019s self-destruction\u2026 Two out of six blew up their planets.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 How did the rest of them manage to survive?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 They managed to survive for different reasons. Those that have already made the flight, they were genetically predisposed to co-operation. In their societies, the hierarchies are very clear, everyone is in their designated spot&#8230; Now they will need to change and adapt to our global civilization of individuals.<br \/>\nAnd some were genetically predisposed to believe in all manner of nonsense. If they like an event &#8211; they believe they were lucky, and of not &#8211; unlucky. They come up with various rituals, which are not connected to reality, and believe that this will help them bring about positive developments.<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-large wp-image-9477\" src=\"https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/interview2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"625\" height=\"469\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2-407x305.jpg 407w, https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2-150x113.jpg 150w, https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2-600x450.jpg 600w, https:\/\/pmdoc.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/interview2-624x468.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 625px) 100vw, 625px\" \/>If they are unable to explain something, they come up with supernatural explanations. Because of our technologies, they have imbued us with supernatural powers, as though we were magicians and witches. They describe our years there with the help of various fairytales and myths, and they grew to believe in these so much that another phenomenon of its own kind emerged: religion&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 &#8216;Religion&#8217;?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 How shall I explain?..<br \/>\nIt is a kind of system of scarcely believable texts, silly rituals and rather quirky architecture, which together, have a great impact on the natives\u2019 lives&#8230;<br \/>\nSo this &#8216;religion&#8217; established itself so firmly within the civilization, that it basically fully arrested their technological progress and scientific development. That was precisely what saved their civilization &#8211; they had not managed to develop the sort of powerful weapons which could have destroyed them. Even though we had bet against them: that they would be the first ones to self-destruct. Because they would have these fights, it was horrific to even observe all of that. They still fight, but, of course, not as viciously as before.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 And why are they like that?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Biochemistry of the body. In their bodies certain incredible cocktails of chemicals are mixed up so that they can&#8217;t help it. That&#8217;s where the wars, religions, volatile developments stem from&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 And they cannot rearrange themselves?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Oh, come now! What sort of &#8216;rearrange&#8217; is there to speak of? Their bioengineering is at such a primitive stage that they still die of diseases and consider it a miracle if someone lives for longer than 100 planetary cycles.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 And how long is that? 5 Sars or 10 Sars?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 No. It is just one fortieth of a Sar.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 One fortieth? But how are they able to create and develop a civilization? We have to study for a Sar, and they manage to create something, transfer knowledge to others and disappear in the one fortieth of Sar?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Actually, the state of things is even grimmer. Just 1% of them create something and transfer knowledge. Others appear and disappear, without leaving anything behind. Because of this, the experiment has dragged on so. We estimated that the experiment would take 10 to 20 Sars, but it has lasted for 96 Sars already.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Alright, let&#8217;s return to the ones who have made the flight. How did they do it? They learned how to space-travel, like us?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 We taught them!<br \/>\nIn order to establish clear time boundaries for the experiment, first we launched the civilization, and to finish we left a hidden message for them on how to develop a communication device to reach out to us and make their way to us. However, to de-code our message, they had to fulfill three requirements: first &#8211; leave the boundaries of their planet (the message was hidden in the star system, but not far from their planet); second &#8211; understand the make-up of the surrounding universe; third &#8211; create a machine for universe observation, at its most basic level.<br \/>\nAs soon as they create such a machine, they are almost immediately able to find our message, understand it and follow our instructions.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 That&#8217;s so fascinating! But I have one question left for you. Obviously, on one of the planets nothing is going to happen at this point. And when do you expect for the experiment to end on the remaining two?<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 I cannot even estimate. Both civilizations left the boundaries of their planets, one of them even sent their crafts beyond their star systems. But they have a long way to go to understand the make-up of the universe, let alone to create the machine. They exert so much time, labor and resources, so much of their lives, on pretty much anything but the development of their civilization.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u2014 Thank you so much, Dr. Enki, for your time and for the fascinating information.<br \/>\n<\/b>\u2014 Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a9 2015\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AnatolySawin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Anatolii Savin<\/a><br \/>\nPictures:\u00a0<b>Luis Antonio<\/b>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.artofluis.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">www.artofluis.com<\/a>) and\u00a0<b>Alex Ruiz<\/b>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.conceptmonster.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">www.conceptmonster.net<\/a>)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u2014 Hello, Dr. Enki! \u2014 Greetings! \u2014 Let&#8217;s begin with the most interesting part &#8211; can we consider the experiment to have been completed? \u2014 My colleagues and I don&#8217;t think so. We still have three planets left. 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